arctic cat kickback starter

biggun132 · 02-22-2012, 11:41 AM

I am about to relace my second one now... my question is does anyone make a stronger one or is there something I need to do to keep from busting these?

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dman66 · 02-22-2012, 03:12 PM

I don't get all these post about the starter gears breaking ????? Is it that people are pushing the start button while the engine is running and breaking gears that way ? Just wondering...

biggun132 · 02-22-2012, 04:37 PM

No mine have broke starting the bike. Usually caused by a low battery and the engine kicks back.

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whoolieshop · 02-22-2012, 06:59 PM

My arctic cat had the same issue with kickback. You're lucky it's destroying starters instead of your engine case.

Mine took out the stator side cover and damaged the engine case however I was able to salvage it thanks to a buddy with a machine shop.

Required pulling the engine and some downtime.

For my engine which is not the kawi v twin there's a starter clutch that can be installed and eliminate the kickback carnage. I don't know if there's a similar fix but if you're getting lots of kickback the starter is the absolute cheapest thing that can be destroyed when the engine kicks back!

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bigbrute715 · 02-22-2012, 09:13 PM

Muzzy makes a HD one but you can also get one from a 2012 I'm pretty sure they are the same they are way beefier my buddy just bought one. Wish they had them the year I went through 2 it's also cause by starting when it's cold especially if you have a cdi that advances timing

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JLOWERY · 02-23-2012, 02:51 AM

I've been told the Prairies have a stronger starter gear I don't know why the smaller motor would but that's just what I've been told.

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biggun132 · 02-23-2012, 05:30 AM

I'm gonna try this one and take out some timing on my msd and see if that helps any. If you change to a heavier/beefier gear would that cause something else to bust?

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bigbrute715 · 02-23-2012, 05:42 AM

I think the gears are weak jmo but Kawasaki knows it that's why the 2012 have a stronger gear

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birddog76 · 02-23-2012, 06:28 AM

i found if you hold ur starter button down longer after it starts will help also. replaced my gear a couple months ago , have a dynatek which does advance timing ,cold start is the major culprit. u can hold starter button after it starts foe a second or 2 want hurt it.

Brute 840 · 02-23-2012, 06:38 AM

I have found the heavier Prairie 650/700 fly wheel to help on the built motors,I broke a few the switched my 1000 to the prairie fly wheel and no issues yet,need fly wheel and the prairie pickup coil mount,it moves the pickup coil out some to clear the heavier fly wheel.I have the starter gear and limiter gears and also have some flywheels,not sure about the pickup mounts would need to check.would like to add you cant do this on the FI bikes but you can use the prairie starter gear and limiter gear on FI just not the flywheel mod

oldmanbrute · 02-24-2012, 04:44 PM

Mine broke from 'kick-back'. Was running 93 octane, (thought I could go faster...lol). Now I just stay w/87.

bigblackbrute · 02-24-2012, 07:10 PM

biggun u jus gt to much hp in that fatboyz bike. i jus dnt what it is about them 2 bikes that wer built in that shop bt they jus flat out scoot. ol blacky ready to rip a hole open.

biggun132 · 02-25-2012, 07:35 AM

you got that right Ethan!

DSC · 02-25-2012, 08:44 PM

I had this happen 2 times years back. I was running FCR's and 13 to 1 compression. Didnt think it would be a problem with the lower comp. and stock carbs.

Brute 840 · 02-26-2012, 05:40 AM

I think it has alot to do with the tune on the motors and the timing,it plays a factor.

biggun132 · 03-06-2012, 10:42 AM

This is what I found today.
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dman66 · 03-06-2012, 04:25 PM

Well that just sucks.Hope you found all those teeth.

biggun132 · 03-06-2012, 08:29 PM

Yea I think I found all of them. I'm going to do some good cleaning in there and put it back together tomorrow. And take most all of my timing out via the msd. Hope this helps with the kickback.

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02-22-2012, 11:41 AM	#1
biggun132 Gettin Muddy Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: winnsboro la	Starter gear problems I am about to relace my second one now... my question is does anyone make a stronger one or is there something I need to do to keep from busting these? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk Last edited by biggun132; 02-22-2012 at 03:08 PM.
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02-22-2012, 03:12 PM	#2
dman66 Experienced Mudder Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Oley, Pa. Images: 11	I don't get all these post about the starter gears breaking ????? Is it that people are pushing the start button while the engine is running and breaking gears that way ? Just wondering...
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02-22-2012, 04:37 PM	#3
biggun132 Gettin Muddy Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: winnsboro la	No mine have broke starting the bike. Usually caused by a low battery and the engine kicks back. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
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02-22-2012, 06:59 PM	#4
whoolieshop Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Salisbury, NC	My arctic cat had the same issue with kickback. You're lucky it's destroying starters instead of your engine case. Mine took out the stator side cover and damaged the engine case however I was able to salvage it thanks to a buddy with a machine shop. Required pulling the engine and some downtime. For my engine which is not the kawi v twin there's a starter clutch that can be installed and eliminate the kickback carnage. I don't know if there's a similar fix but if you're getting lots of kickback the starter is the absolute cheapest thing that can be destroyed when the engine kicks back! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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02-22-2012, 09:13 PM	#5
bigbrute715 Trail Rider Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: saskatoon sk	Muzzy makes a HD one but you can also get one from a 2012 I'm pretty sure they are the same they are way beefier my buddy just bought one. Wish they had them the year I went through 2 it's also cause by starting when it's cold especially if you have a cdi that advances timing Id Rather be riding then talking about it with tapatalk
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02-23-2012, 02:51 AM	#6
JLOWERY Professional Mudder Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Paris TN	I've been told the Prairies have a stronger starter gear I don't know why the smaller motor would but that's just what I've been told. Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk
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02-23-2012, 05:30 AM	#7
biggun132 Gettin Muddy Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: winnsboro la	I'm gonna try this one and take out some timing on my msd and see if that helps any. If you change to a heavier/beefier gear would that cause something else to bust? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
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02-23-2012, 05:42 AM	#8
bigbrute715 Trail Rider Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: saskatoon sk	I think the gears are weak jmo but Kawasaki knows it that's why the 2012 have a stronger gear Id Rather be riding then talking about it with tapatalk
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02-23-2012, 06:28 AM	#9
birddog76 Trail Rider Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Keystone Hgts FL	i found if you hold ur starter button down longer after it starts will help also. replaced my gear a couple months ago , have a dynatek which does advance timing ,cold start is the major culprit. u can hold starter button after it starts foe a second or 2 want hurt it.
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02-23-2012, 06:38 AM	#10
Brute 840 Gettin Muddy Join Date: Feb 2012	I have found the heavier Prairie 650/700 fly wheel to help on the built motors,I broke a few the switched my 1000 to the prairie fly wheel and no issues yet,need fly wheel and the prairie pickup coil mount,it moves the pickup coil out some to clear the heavier fly wheel.I have the starter gear and limiter gears and also have some flywheels,not sure about the pickup mounts would need to check.would like to add you cant do this on the FI bikes but you can use the prairie starter gear and limiter gear on FI just not the flywheel mod
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02-24-2012, 04:44 PM	#11
oldmanbrute I could've had a Falcon! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tifton, GA	Mine broke from 'kick-back'. Was running 93 octane, (thought I could go faster...lol). Now I just stay w/87.
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02-24-2012, 07:10 PM	#12
bigblackbrute ball'n on a budget Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: winnsboro lousisana	biggun u jus gt to much hp in that fatboyz bike. i jus dnt what it is about them 2 bikes that wer built in that shop bt they jus flat out scoot. ol blacky ready to rip a hole open.
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02-25-2012, 07:35 AM	#13
biggun132 Gettin Muddy Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: winnsboro la	you got that right Ethan!
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02-25-2012, 08:44 PM	#14
DSC Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2011	I had this happen 2 times years back. I was running FCR's and 13 to 1 compression. Didnt think it would be a problem with the lower comp. and stock carbs.
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02-26-2012, 05:40 AM	#15
Brute 840 Gettin Muddy Join Date: Feb 2012	I think it has alot to do with the tune on the motors and the timing,it plays a factor.
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dman66 Experienced Mudder Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Oley, Pa. Images: 11	Well that just sucks.Hope you found all those teeth.
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03-06-2012, 08:29 PM	#18
biggun132 Gettin Muddy Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: winnsboro la	Yea I think I found all of them. I'm going to do some good cleaning in there and put it back together tomorrow. And take most all of my timing out via the msd. Hope this helps with the kickback. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
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